the entire "game is dieing" attitude sounds very much like wow forums, just saying

i think they should make the game harder, percental SP loss for characters when podded and no concord... but hey, i am not really the audience they cater to

you know, actual loss not this "bu-hu my ship got destroyed and my pod too, i got to buy a new clone and its so expensive and it costs isk that i can buy with rl cash if i am too lazy/stupid to get it myself"

What's changed in 8 years that makes Eve less dangerous? Is it mechanics, or is it player behavior?

lol, to the contrary, if we could just get another 30k or so bitter vets to leave this game could move into the 21st century instead of the death spiral it is on.

Beats adding two new boring ships a year and no other content because the bitter vets are pissed at all change

Sadly CCP was never smart enough to do like most other games and put diminishing returns into "many vs 1", so of course people just bring X + 1 ships to do the job and once enough people use the "bring + 1" strategy to make somebody else's game miserable then CCP nerfs DPS along all the line including 1 v 1.

Can someone explain to me why a sandbox game (as many claim) is supposed to be just PVP? My understanding is Eve plays out according to how you want to play it, not how someone else wants your experience to be.

That's why I come back, that's why I enjoy the game. Sure you can influence my image of the game, but I will do my best to enjoy it how I want to play. To me that is exactly what a Sandbox should be.

When someone says, well Eve was meant to be played X type of way, that instantly means crying.

Give me your stuff before you leave.

Seriously though, get over it. People play games as ENTERTAINMENT, something FUN to do. Not to get griefed. What? I should play something else then? No. I want to play a science fiction game, and people like YOU aren't going to ruin it for me. The wallet of the carebears has spoken. Deal with it.

Like I said before, get over it. If I want to explore low sec with probes, go into wormholes, engage in industry or trade in lowsec, or even rat or do missions to relax, I shouldn't have to deal with griefers all the time. I play this science fiction game for FUN, not life.

Dangerous because NPCs? Sure. Dangerous because a gang of 12 neck bears who can't make is in nul and enjoy ruining other people's days because they get stepped on in the real-world while serving fries to others to make their monthly troll-game payments? No. Get out.

you're a whiny little ***** Richard. HTFU.

No. I suggest you leave. You and your kind are what make this game have such a low population of players; because you pew at anything that moves, even in a tiny newb ship. For this game to thrive, PvP changes like what's happening should occur. Deal with it.

>implying 350k subscribers is indicative of a healthy and thriving online population where most activity online is around 40k now
>implying 10k of those 40k aren't just nulsec alts.

i'm not the one whining about targets that can't shoot back being made harder to suicide. I'm not the one whining about CONCORD exploits being fixed. I'm not the one whining about highsec being too safe.

Nor am I the one whining about lowsec/nullsec being not safe enough, or that other people's way of playing the game may conflict with mine.


You are just as bad, if not worse, than the complete carebears. The carebears just want to be left alone, you on the other hand cannot stand the idea that if you suicide someone in highsec it is going to be costly - which has been part of the ******* game design from day one.

That doesn't stop freighters carrying lots of shiny loot from getting suicided, nor should it.

Wrong. If this game catered to the masses, it would last long. WoW lasted long. Guild Wars lasts long. Top that off with regular free content, you have a gold mine. PvPers have held this game back too long. If WiS had been released in full and even flying/walking on planets and cities, this game would see a THRONG of people flock to it (such as Mass Effect fans, sci-fi novel fans, sci-fi television show fans, Star Wars fans even, etc). More money, more content, more diversity, more interest.

But YOU and your ilk have done nothing but stagnate this game's growth by scaring people away and screaming bloody murder for anything that hinders your Blaster enabled e-peen beating. This stagnation has gone on long enough. Get over it or get out. The age of the care bear draws nearer.

More people and news about WoW than EVE isn't there? When it comes down to it, it's all about the bottom line, and PvPers of today are bad for business.

i'd like to see that be 700k, or 800k or more. that means CCP could hire more staff and speed of iteration would increase. if that means reducing (but not making suiciding) impossible then I'm fine with that. if that means making resource gathering more exciting i'm ok with that (also because that probably means the ships we pew pew with will cost less because new players entering the resource gathering professions).

and if it means making gooniebabies cry.. then i'm DEFINITELY ok with it

So to bolster your argument you pull some news articles from 2-5+ years ago? That's....pathetically funny. And where are the masses commenting on these articles? Where was the ROI on these news articles? Hm? Non-existent compared to larger and more successful games.

seriously shoot something that shoots back

If they catered to the masses and stopped pandering to you asshats they would probably be a much larger, more thriving, and more profitable company belting out a LOT of content, both PvP and PvE. They wouldn't have needed to fire anyone for the debacle earlier on with spreading to thin between Dust, WoD and letting EVE suffer.

No you just chase away new blood and, in turn, new infusions of money. You are undesirables and should be treated as thus.

I compare it to those two because they popped into my head while I typed. Aside from that, if one wishes to claim CCP is one of the "big boys," then it must be compared to the big boys of the MMO industry, being GW, WoW, et al. It isn't ignoring the other MMO's such as say, Vindictus or Star Trek Online (lol), as much as it is accurately categorizing it with, as you claim, other companies which stand on equal or greater footing with CCP and Eve Online in terms of population, capital gain, ROI, and these companies' bottom line.

he is rather dumb.

no, hes right, it is a stupid comparison.

EVE is actually the game bad mmo players eventually arrive at once they have have gotten **** on in other more skill demanding games. EVEs only real niche, if you can even call it that, is spaceships. If you like spaceships, then eve is a good mmo to play.

are you unironically trying to say that EVE's steep learning curve now isn't just being able to join the right blood with enough ass kissing?

it depends on how you define skill, you define skill as general competency. I define skill as quick reflexes, accuracy, use of terrain, motion prediction, map awareness, game sense and actions per minute, all of which are totally irreleveant in EVE gameplay.

its relatively speaking of course. Other games are just require a lot more to the point you could comparatively say that EVE requires no skill. I guess you could argue that eve employs the use of your spreadsheet skills but that isn't something most competitive gamers care to be proud of. Game know-how is not a skill, its something anyone with a normally functioning brain can achieve.

Put all local into delayed mode

Well, that was a very quick list, with no detail. Also, I mean for local to be in delayed mode for all security systems, even high sec. Run incursions while war decced in high sec with delayed local? Maybe... even then, it would be worth it to suicide incursion runners for the ISK, they used such pimped out ships.

Clearly, the profitability of high sec would be reduced in relation to its safety in comparison to 0.0 and lowsec in my vision. But yes, I agree with you, as it stands right now, it wouldn't work.